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Day Of The Diesel

FP -- Diesel engines on average offer about 25% greater fuel efficiency than a traditional combustion engine, or roughly the same amount of a hybrid, says George Magliano, IHS Global Insight analyst. But the extra value comes in the selling price. The average diesel-powered vehicle will cost about $2,000 more than a traditional internal combustion engine, while a hybrid variation might cost upwards of $7,000, depending on the make and model, he says.

The diesel option on the Grand Cherokee in 2008 cost $6,000 extra, but the resale value of the diesel Grand Cherokee commands up to a $10,000 premium to the gas model today.

Mercedes-Benz, for example, estimates that between 75% and 85% of its customers will choose diesel when given both options.

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Submitted Feb 26, 2012 By: Jumpmaster82

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SpankyMI Champion Author Kalamazoo Posts:2,723 Points:762,205 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:56:06 PM Ignore SpankyMI Report Abuse I still smell diesel exhaust, I'm sure that cant be good.
Jumpmaster82 All-Star Author South Carolina Posts:921 Points:851,525 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:55:34 PM Ignore Jumpmaster82 Report Abuse Notice everyone who has a diesel loves them, everyone who knows nothing about them dislikes them? The ones who drive them know the fuel costs more but they fill up less, so you folks who think diesel is so expensive are clueless to know that driven side by side to your gas powered cars, the guy with the diesel pays far less for fuel than you do. I guess ignorance really is bliss!
EvanRude Sophomore Author Raleigh Posts:216 Points:1,083,280 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:55:03 PM Ignore EvanRude Report Abuse ghmortensen - Diesel is more expensive per gallon, but less expensive per mile.
Fuzzyb Rookie Author Denver Posts:72 Points:457,345 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:54:29 PM Ignore Fuzzyb Report Abuse Get rid of the DPF!
timarcos Champion Author Corpus Christi Posts:5,767 Points:1,157,840 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:54:27 PM Ignore timarcos Report Abuse I don't use diesel
ghmortensen Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,999 Points:1,671,505 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:49:40 PM Ignore ghmortensen Report Abuse The problem is diesel fuel is more expensive than gas and it will continue to rise at a faster rate than gas in the future.
MattieDale Sophomore Author Cincinnati Posts:236 Points:207,275 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:47:50 PM Ignore MattieDale Report Abuse I have said it before and I will say it again. CNG/LNG for cars and smaller trucks. Diesel for the big trucks & trains. The big engines just can't and shouldn't carry that much natural gas.
sillywagon Champion Author New York Posts:14,907 Points:1,443,295 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:44:42 PM Ignore sillywagon Report Abuse Then why are there so few choices for diesel engine cars and SUVs in the USA? If it's so great... bring them onto market.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:13,732 Points:2,117,060 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:44:37 PM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse the ford fiesta with the econetic diesel gets over 70mpg yet the ceo for ford america keeps saying there is no market for them. put them on the market here and then let the people decide.
dieselfiendSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,196 Points:849,380 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:43:53 PM Ignore dieselfiendSC Report Abuse The only problem is the price of diesel.
AngieMVA Veteran Author Richmond Posts:480 Points:430,015 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:41:41 PM Ignore AngieMVA Report Abuse ok
DEG Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:17,635 Points:3,497,630 Joined:Jul 2003	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:41:15 PM Ignore DEG Report Abuse The modern diesel engine makes a lot of sense to me.
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,475 Points:1,394,680 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:40:56 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse Drove a diesel in the UK a few years back and it was very efficient and did not have the diesel smell, unlike the GM disasters from the late seventies.
bigoilscamsus Champion Author Lansing Posts:1,058 Points:48,265 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:40:15 PM Ignore bigoilscamsus Report Abuse Protest high gas prices!!Picket the 15 highest priced gas stations in your area!! Join the gas price protest at the WALK ON WASHINGTON and at all the other State Capitals on Friday June 1st , 2012!! Bring your protest signs and let Big Oil know what you think of the obscene profits that Big Oil make at the expense of the American consumers!!
woburnspotter2 Veteran Author Boston Posts:480 Points:172,405 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:37:03 PM Ignore woburnspotter2 Report Abuse Article would help us more if it went further and did fuel price comparisons along with maintenance cost comparisons. But I wonder . . .If it is so great, then why didn't they start putting diesel engins in SUVs and other vechicles that might be driven longer distances?
northeast2 Champion Author New York Posts:3,849 Points:1,007,200 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:32:34 PM Ignore northeast2 Report Abuse fuelconscious is right.
LucsPapa All-Star Author New Brunswick Posts:628 Points:1,021,950 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:31:54 PM Ignore LucsPapa Report Abuse pse91 in Calgary... I don't know of any problems with diesel in cold climates that would be greater than those with propane and possibly natural gas.
tampacrvdriver Champion Author Tampa Posts:3,366 Points:715,135 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:27:32 PM Ignore tampacrvdriver Report Abuse I'd never drive one.
alaskan101 Sophomore Author Washington Posts:140 Points:253,575 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:25:59 PM Ignore alaskan101 Report Abuse Interesting
beachmanglen All-Star Author Tampa Posts:679 Points:498,600 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:25:40 PM Ignore beachmanglen Report Abuse When diesel was first marketed as an automotive fuel, the oil companies told us that it would always be 10 - 15 cents less than gas. Here in Florida, it's 30 cents higher than the average cost of a regular gallon of gas. So add up the extra cost for the engine plus the price premium equals no savings. Thanks, but no thanks.
LucsPapa All-Star Author New Brunswick Posts:628 Points:1,021,950 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:24:09 PM Ignore LucsPapa Report Abuse Go diesel, go!!
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:6,003 Points:1,115,215 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:22:50 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse So is that duct tape on the hose to stop a leak??? Now tax dollars are paying Volt buyers $9000... What next, FREE if you drive them off the lot??? Diesel has been the answer are a long time ovresea... Looking at Cali. gas prices at some stations Diesel is cheaper then gas, then add 25% better MPG... Switch everything over to diesel or GN and forget gasoline...
jcotaxi Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,775 Points:363,005 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:22:40 PM Ignore jcotaxi Report Abuse Why stick to averages when you can skew the results by sorting for certain facts?
pse91 All-Star Author Calgary Posts:640 Points:561,375 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:21:22 PM Ignore pse91 Report Abuse Too many problems in COLD CLIMATES.
sch5v2 Veteran Author Colorado Posts:330 Points:923,700 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:18:12 PM Ignore sch5v2 Report Abuse Groundhog Day
Senrac Champion Author Lincoln Posts:1,594 Points:305,635 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:18:02 PM Ignore Senrac Report Abuse I"d switch
babyjudy Champion Author Tucson Posts:2,746 Points:564,660 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:16:57 PM Ignore babyjudy Report Abuse Our 11-year-old VW Golf diesel gets 40 mpg. We have no plans to get rid of it. Diesel fuel was more expensive than gasoline but in our area gasoline is increasing while diesel is staying stable.
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:9,564 Points:1,864,820 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:15:13 PM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse Diesels are big in Europe where fuel is more expensive.
mikerroy Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:2,581 Points:723,845 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:09:50 PM Ignore mikerroy Report Abuse ok
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,080 Points:1,734,140 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:08:24 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse I hope not
fuelconscious Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,127 Points:548,020 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:04:25 PM Ignore fuelconscious Report Abuse I would go diesel as well. We need a CNG option as well.
gamalerin Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,767 Points:996,435 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 10:04:10 PM Ignore gamalerin Report Abuse I will sell my car.
LegoVasavouchi Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:1,659 Points:114,390 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:59:08 PM Ignore LegoVasavouchi Report Abuse Fascinating.
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,254 Points:1,687,900 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:57:51 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse More efficient than gas and less than a hybrid, sounds like a winner to me.
Petrock Champion Author Lexington Posts:9,138 Points:2,560,685 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:55:36 PM Ignore Petrock Report Abuse Diesels may help in the near term but they are no long-term solution.
nj2000ng Champion Author Houston Posts:1,507 Points:449,020 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:55:30 PM Ignore nj2000ng Report Abuse diesel is a little expensive, though
NemoIL Champion Author Illinois Posts:3,040 Points:1,316,145 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:54:43 PM Ignore NemoIL Report Abuse The new Volkswagen tdi diesel gets 73 mpg, why is it that we never hear about it here in the United States?
30mpg80 Champion Author Lexington Posts:10,067 Points:1,490,780 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:54:41 PM Ignore 30mpg80 Report Abuse We have needed more diesel choices in USA for a long time
PhilnTX All-Star Author Dallas Posts:656 Points:438,330 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:51:59 PM Ignore PhilnTX Report Abuse If GM would put a small diesel in a 1/2 ton truck that would get 25-30 MPG on the highway, I'd buy one
BikerGirl02 Rookie Author Pittsburgh Posts:62 Points:185,765 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:51:37 PM Ignore BikerGirl02 Report Abuse I drive a 2010 Jetta TDI. Yes, I pay a little more for fuel, but get great gas mileage, 44 mpg on the highway, even 34-35 around town. Mileage on some vws is better than on many hybrids, and I can actually fit full size people in my car too. Alot of hybrids have no room for people or cargo. And then there is the battery issue with hybrids. Oh, and diesels don't stink anymore either, like some people think. I don't know why more people don't drive diesels. Diesel all the way!
feldagast All-Star Author Toledo Posts:897 Points:104,560 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:50:37 PM Ignore feldagast Report Abuse Trains have been diesel driven electric for years, and they can brag about their efficiency all day long.
edamp04 Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:4,603 Points:841,680 Joined:Nov 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:49:33 PM Ignore edamp04 Report Abuse If the price per gallon could just go down! It would more than make up for the increased cost.
KhelbenArunson Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,461 Points:720,790 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:47:35 PM Ignore KhelbenArunson Report Abuse bio diesel could be the win.
Red7002011 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:3,347 Points:671,645 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:45:39 PM Ignore Red7002011 Report Abuse Really!
cisson All-Star Author Kentucky Posts:516 Points:384,360 Joined:Jul 2010	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:44:28 PM Ignore cisson Report Abuse I swear I learn something new every day. I love Gas Buddy's articles.
nwsynthetics Champion Author Oregon Posts:1,014 Points:347,625 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:42:01 PM Ignore nwsynthetics Report Abuse Diesels are great. New TDI probably doing better than volts on mileage. Volts alone in carpool lane, give me a break. Be the same of all others.
TheSnowstorm Champion Author Montreal Posts:8,634 Points:1,915,955 Joined:June 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:40:11 PM Ignore TheSnowstorm Report Abuse Long known about the virtues of running diesel engines; more so with the advances with diesel technology today. Get the best of all worlds: a diesel hybrid.
ritefielder All-Star Author Jackson Posts:570 Points:480,745 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:38:50 PM Ignore ritefielder Report Abuse Why do these articles pit diesels against hybrids. They are different tools for different circumstances. If you spend most of the time driving on the interstate then diesels are the way to go. If you spend most of your time driving in stop and go traffic then hybrids would be the better tool.
snell snail Champion Author Atlanta Posts:5,038 Points:2,600,525 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:37:06 PM Ignore snell snail Report Abuse Dear Lord: say it isn't so......who is 'FP'?
dchiou Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,826 Points:795,465 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:35:47 PM Ignore dchiou Report Abuse too late to change models now
ItisAJeepThing Champion Author Tucson Posts:19,770 Points:2,154,505 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:33:49 PM Ignore ItisAJeepThing Report Abuse Buy a diesel and if diesel fuel gets too expensive, it can easily be converted to run on Liquified Natural Gas (LNG). I predict that LNG will be the fuel of the future. All Electric Vehicles will never go far enough between long charges. Gasoline and diesel are going to get to be too expensive soon.
LeeFree Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:9,166 Points:2,246,375 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Feb 26, 2012 9:32:34 PM Ignore LeeFree Report Abuse If the price of diesel fuel could drop 10% or more sales of diesel vehicles would take off. It is more bang for the buck.