CampKohler
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2012 2:28:16 PM
Post a topic in your local discussion group for this. Figure out a format (one line per station) and start putting up prices. Each person copies the list of all stations and adds his report. Done.
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Sneakers55
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 1:18:42 PM
On Jan 25, 2012 11:12:57 PM, jrsva wrote:
>I agree with Scoutmaster on this one. ORD, as the name implies,
>is legal only for tractors and other types of equipment that only
>incidentally travel on the public roads.
ORD is legal for any motor traveling on the public roads that does not transmit power to the road wheels. Refrigeration units on eighteen wheelers use ORD. So do the small motors many trucks use to provide power and heat while the driver has his legally mandated downtime.
>Feel free to start a topic in your local forum (Lancaster) to share
>info on ORD price and availability. This is the same advice routinely
>given here to those who want to post prices for propane, kerosene,
>and other non-highway fuels, and even for E85, which is a motor
>fuel but one which is only sparsely available.
I thought that was the purpose of the comment box.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2012 7:24:10 AM
Sounds like this has gotten into the classic "he said she said" stuff with the usual suspects.
Time to shut this down!
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 10:01:33 PM
=> drivel, babble, toil and trouble... And likewise, this forum isn't called "Suggest a website improvement but don't you dare post an opposing viewpoint." <=
Look dude: you're not "posting an opposing viewpoint" when you deal with irrelevancies like WHEN or HOW such a feature might or might not happen. This thread is about whether ORD *should* be a feature. That's IT, the END. This endless whining about how likely its priority might be is not only irrelevant but tiresome noise.
=> And also note that no one who replied in this thread has stated support for implementing the OP's suggestion on this site. <=
I supported it in my first post. You must have missed it while you were tangenting off to priority lists of a site that isn't yours anyway.
=> The largest Greenville in the US. You figure it out. Or take it up with the admins if you feel its existence isn't warranted. <=
I know at least three but I'm really not interested in what the largest is. But it is strange for them to create a site for a town where it's not readily apparent what state it's even in. Kind of like posters from "Portland" or "Springfield". I already did take up the question of a million separate sites, back when I first got here as did many others. It's kind of insane, but fixing that is another topic, and I can't wait to hear where it ranks on the priority list.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 9:41:02 PM
Yes, you are consistently choosing to decide what is or is not important instead of leaving that up to the moderators.
[Edited by: Scrapheap at 2/12/2012 9:42:36 PM EST]
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 9:39:44 PM
"No, I saw that. I also saw the parts where you talked out of both sides of your mouth."
You are accusing me of something I did not do. Each of the comments you cited are very consistent with the other.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 9:24:06 PM
"Since those programmers have *already* put in an entire forum called "Suggest a website improvement", what's wrong with doing exactly that?"
I never said there was. But you seem determined to attack me for expressing my opinion on the OP's suggestion.
"Nobody but you brought up what work it would entail. That's irrelevant. The forum is not called "Suggest a website improvement but not if it's going to give us any extra work". All you're doing there is naysaying, so yes it is a nonanswer. Take a fence all you want; there is way too much naysaying on this site, and usually it's for no discernible point save contrarianism."
I don't want to take a fence. I don't need a fence. If and when I do, I'll go to Home Depot and buy a fence. But what a fence has to do with this, I do not know. But back to the topic, was it nay-saying to say that limiting all price postings to GPS enabled phones was a bad idea? No, because it is a bad idea. Not everyone owns or uses a smart phone from which to do their postings. There are also features that aren't available on the mobile version of the site. I alluded to how much work it would entail only to illustrate why many other issues are likely to addressed (if ever) before pricing for off-road diesel would be supported (again, if ever). That's very relevant to understanding why many suggestions made here will never, ever see the light of day. I'm sorry you can't understand that. And it's not contrarianism when you state there are other, more vial issues that need to be addressed first. That's called being realistic. And likewise, this forum isn't called "Suggest a website improvement but don't you dare post an opposing viewpoint."
"The point here is not what the site programming priorities are. That's a site owner decision anyway, not ours. The point is whether a suggestion makes sense and why, and how that suggestion might be used."
Like Scrapheap, you too must have missed where I said it was the admins who decided on priorities. And also note that no one who replied in this thread has stated support for implementing the OP's suggestion on this site. The closest to support the idea received was CampKohler's suggestion that a separate site be set up for the purpose of ORD pricing. So where are your replies directed at them? According to your logic, they're being just as nay-saying and contrarian as you've accused me of being. Now you seem to be trying to redefine the guidelines of this forum which state "Feel free to attack ideas but please do not attack other posters."
"Speaking of website improvements-- why does Greenville have its own site? And which Greenville is it? I was in one of them yesterday and will be in another in a few days..."
The largest Greenville in the US. You figure it out. Or take it up with the admins if you feel its existence isn't warranted.
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 8:31:47 PM
No, I saw that. I also saw the parts where you talked out of both sides of your mouth.
"This site has many more serious issues to deal with (cash/credit pricing, fake posters, prices posted for grades not sold, etc.) than worrying about pricing for a fuel not approved for road use."
"It also seems you feel it's OK for someone to suggest an improvement, but not for others to say why they feel said improvement is not as important as other issues."
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 8:22:43 PM
"So that is up to the admins to do, not you. What difference does it make anyway? Nothing on this site has changed in years. All suggestions fall on deaf ears. Nothing will be changed unless it impacts revenue for this corporation."
I guess you missed the part where I said it was up to the admins to assign priorities. You've done nothing but prove my point.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 7:59:16 PM
Scrapheap speaks well. He's exactly right.
=> It also seems you feel it's OK for someone to suggest an improvement, but not for others to say why they feel said improvement is not as important as other issues. I take offense to your "non-answer" comment. <=
Since those programmers have *already* put in an entire forum called "Suggest a website improvement", what's wrong with doing exactly that?
Nobody but you brought up what work it would entail. That's irrelevant. The forum is not called "Suggest a website improvement but not if it's going to give us any extra work". All you're doing there is naysaying, so yes it is a nonanswer. Take a fence all you want; there is way too much naysaying on this site, and usually it's for no discernible point save contrarianism.
The point here is not what the site programming priorities are. That's a site owner decision anyway, not ours. The point is whether a suggestion makes sense and why, and how that suggestion might be used.
Speaking of website improvements-- why does Greenville have its own site? And which Greenville is it? I was in one of them yesterday and will be in another in a few days...
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Scrapheap
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 7:45:59 PM
Michael29644 wrote > I think you fail to understand the difference between using features already in place and the necessity of the admins on assigning priorities to adding additional features to the site.
So that is up to the admins to do, not you. What difference does it make anyway? Nothing on this site has changed in years. All suggestions fall on deaf ears. Nothing will be changed unless it impacts revenue for this corporation.
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 3:43:07 PM
"With that kind of logic, what's the point of even having a SAWSI forum? You could attach this non-answer to any suggestion at all.
I don't see any harm in having ORD available, just as when I used kerosene that would have been useful info. I don't agree that "Gasbuddy" necessarily limits to "cars and highway travel"; it means fuels. If you take the name literally, we couldn't even have ON-road Diesel listed here.
And then consider the News page, where gasoline, diesel, natural gas, solar, wind, nuclear, hydro and any other forms of energy are fair game. Consider also the SAWSI calls for a way to post ethanol-free gas. It's all useful info. There will by definition always be some info that one user personally has no use for."
I think you fail to understand the difference between using features already in place and the necessity of the admins on assigning priorities to adding additional features to the site. I'm sure if you were to take a poll of the members here, off-road diesel pricing would rank somewhere around 493rd in importance of the most pressing changes this site currently needs.
You say you don't see the harm, but after having been a computer programmer for 33 years, I know that adding support for additional fuel types isn't as easy as throwing a couple of extra fields up on the screen. There were pet features I would have liked to have added to the systems I wrote, but I had to assign priorities based on customer needs, not my own personal wish list. It also seems you feel it's OK for someone to suggest an improvement, but not for others to say why they feel said improvement is not as important as other issues. I take offense to your "non-answer" comment.
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sluggopyle
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Message Posted: Feb 12, 2012 2:29:28 PM
=> This site has many more serious issues to deal with (cash/credit pricing, fake posters, prices posted for grades not sold, etc.) than worrying about pricing for a fuel not approved for road use. <=
With that kind of logic, what's the point of even having a SAWSI forum? You could attach this non-answer to any suggestion at all.
I don't see any harm in having ORD available, just as when I used kerosene that would have been useful info. I don't agree that "Gasbuddy" necessarily limits to "cars and highway travel"; it means fuels. If you take the name literally, we couldn't even have ON-road Diesel listed here.
And then consider the News page, where gasoline, diesel, natural gas, solar, wind, nuclear, hydro and any other forms of energy are fair game. Consider also the SAWSI calls for a way to post ethanol-free gas. It's all useful info. There will by definition always be some info that one user personally has no use for.
[Edited by: sluggopyle at 2/12/2012 2:33:32 PM EST]
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Michael29644
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:31:46 AM
This site has many more serious issues to deal with (cash/credit pricing, fake posters, prices posted for grades not sold, etc.) than worrying about pricing for a fuel not approved for road use.
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lyons_coop
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 7:53:51 PM
As I dealer for off road diesel, I'll just through my 2 cents in and say no, I don't think it needs to be listed.
Slightly off topic but I'll throw it out here, how about not allowing prices to be posted if the block hasn't been checked as available in the Master Station Listing section?
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manaknight14
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2012 12:30:12 PM
I agree with jrsva that we should stick to only posting prices for on-road fuels. However, being able to find a station that has off-road diesel is extremely useful, and I think we ought to have a checkbox that lists ORD as an available amenity (just like we currently do with propane). You wouldn't be able to see the price for ORD, but you would at least be able to find places that have it.
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CampKohler
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2012 7:08:39 PM
This could be done easily by simply duplicating the GB site for use with the other fuels. There might be a tiny mod done for the different fuels, but other than that, it would be the same as a normal GB site. The points (and anything else) for these sites would stand alone from normal sites, i.e. a parallel universe, just to keep it simple. You would have to sign on separately.
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Gas_Buddy
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2012 4:37:17 PM
As this would be such a regional or limited area issue, and not of value for a significant number of Gas Buddy member, why not simply start a topic in your local category for which concerned members can add prices for each other's edification?
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jerry972
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2012 12:37:06 AM
Until Gas Buddy figures out a way to prevent prices from being posted for grades of fuel that are not sold at a station, expanding the number and types of fuel reported will lead to more errors and more confusion. ORD, Off-road Gas, Propane, Compressed Natural Gas, E-85, Bio-diesel, and Racing gasoline have all been proposed in the past so this could get complicated very quickly without some thought.
Even if GB is not collecting price information, having a way to search out which 1 or 2 stations near you that sell whatever specialized fuel you need would be helpful.
[Edited by: jerry972 at 1/28/2012 12:38:06 AM EST]
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Jan 26, 2012 12:12:57 AM
I agree with Scoutmaster on this one. ORD, as the name implies, is legal only for tractors and other types of equipment that only incidentally travel on the public roads. GasBuddy is all about cars and highway travel. Feel free to start a topic in your local forum (Lancaster) to share info on ORD price and availability. This is the same advice routinely given here to those who want to post prices for propane, kerosene, and other non-highway fuels, and even for E85, which is a motor fuel but one which is only sparsely available.
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scoutmaster
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2012 10:56:02 PM
Why?
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